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Here, we explore the life and work of Ivan Illich and his circle of collaborators. There's no comprehensive index to the articles published, but we invite you to use the Search box, to the left, and to explore the Archive links that appear at the bottom of each page. Comments are welcomed.

Wednesday, June 12, 2013

Conversation with Sajay Samuel - "Rehoming Society: Ivan Illich & the Vernacular"

A couple of years ago, we noted that a man named Dougald Hine, associated with a British organization called The Dark Mountain Project, had interviewed Sajay Samuel about "the vernacular." A recording of their conversation remains available at the Dark Mountain site, for listening on the Web or for downloading in MP3 format.

Now, it has come to our attention that a transcript of the conversation is available, as well, right here, at Hine's own website. The title is "Rehoming Society: Ivan Illich & the Vernacular." Some of Sajay's words have not been written down with complete accuracy, a brief listen reveals, but the gist of his utterances remains intact.


tooearly said...

THANK YOU for this incredible interview

Dougald Hine said...

Thanks for featuring both the recording and the text - and for the valuable record you are creating with this blog.

The text you link to was prepared by Sajay and myself for publication in Dark Mountain: Issue 3. It is based on the recording of the conversation, but with clarifications and amendments, where we felt these appropriate. The result varies from the recording, but not because of a lack of accuracy.

You might be interested to know that this is part of a larger series of conversations with friends and collaborators of Illich. So far, this also includes a conversation with David Abram (in DM2) and with Gustavo Esteva (DM4).

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