A couple of years ago, we noted that a man named Dougald Hine, associated with a British organization called The Dark Mountain Project, had interviewed Sajay Samuel about "the vernacular." A recording of their conversation remains available at the Dark Mountain site, for listening on the Web or for downloading in MP3 format.
Now, it has come to our attention that a transcript of the conversation is available, as well, right here, at Hine's own website. The title is "Rehoming Society: Ivan Illich & the Vernacular." Some of Sajay's words have not been written down with complete accuracy, a brief listen reveals, but the gist of his utterances remains intact.